Logs for the Neighborhood Assembly Held on 2019-10-26
October 26, 2019
<sgp_> Assembly time
<sgp_> 0. Introduction
<sgp_> We want to welcome everybody to this Monero Neighborhood Workgroup Assembly!
<sgp_> Hyperlink to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/405
<sgp_> Monero Neighborhood conferences are a dialogue place for something happening within the Monero Neighborhood, together with different Monero workgroups. We use conferences to encourage the group to share concepts and supply help. Enjoyable truth: you might be superior 🙂
<sgp_> 1. Greetings
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Whats up!
<sgp_> ping dEBRUYNE rehrar ErCiccione[m] xmrscott[m]
<ErCiccione[m]> Hello all. Thanks for the ping sgp_
<sgp_> needmonero90 dsc_ gingeropolous sarang
<sgp_> hopefully extra individuals pour in later
<sgp_> 2. Neighborhood highlights
<sgp_> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
<sgp_> Reminder that 0.15 is predicted on October 31, with the scheduled protocol improve on November 30: https://getmonero.org/2019/10/01/announcement-release-0-15.html
<needmonero90> Oh, proper, conferences are a factor on Saturdays
<sgp_> The code is frozen! Get testing!
<sgp_> We tried out a gaming session two weeks in the past, and we had our espresso chat final week which was wonderful regardless of technical challenges.
<sgp_> Are there any excellent questions relating to the upcoming replace, or does anybody have group (non-workgroup) updates to share?
<needmonero90> Final espresso chat was packed
<needmonero90> We want that extra
<sgp_> tremendous stacked lineup certainly 🙂
<msvb-mob> Whats up.
<needmonero90> I anticipate you are going to hyperlink your ballot quickly sufficient, so I am going to maintain off
<sgp_> yup 🙂
<sgp_> needmonero90: are you able to create that replace thread for exchanges in r/xmrtrader?
<needmonero90> Will do throughout this assembly.
<thunderosa> I assume it is a group replace. The brand new Monero Pool UI is popping out within the subsequent few days. Half the scale, twice the velocity, new options and so forth.
<sgp_> did another person volunteer for the mining pool listing for r/moneromining? I do not recall if I signed up for that
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Hey. I am in Mexico proper now.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Will not be again residence for a number of hours.
<needmonero90> Okay amigo
<sgp_> thunderosa: very cool
<rottensox> what i miss.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Left a touch upon the meta difficulty of the assembly.
<sgp_> rehrar: sure, I added a piece to debate 🙂
<sgp_> let’s proceed
<sgp_> 3. CCS updates
<sgp_> Funding required:’
<sgp_> Rehrar to 36C3 (4.42 / 58.65) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/rehrar-36c3-expenses.html
<sgp_> A number of options and fixes for getmonero.org: https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ErCiccione-website.html
<sgp_> Ziphon’s request was overfunded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/xiphon-part-time-2.html
<sgp_> Concepts (to be mentioned):
<sgp_> WIP: Norwegian translation (Three XMR): https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/102, and
<sgp_> moneromooo, from November 2019 (395 XMR): https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/103
<needmonero90> Oh you corrected my nad
<sgp_> any feedback? or shall I take the silence as approval?
<needmonero90> My silence is approval on all the things aside from the rehrar funding proposal, which has its personal points which were mentioned
<needmonero90> Unsure if it is resolved, however I am going to take it to again channels first
<needmonero90> (points that means the velocity at which it was merged, potential for alternate options with decrease journey charges, and so forth)
<sgp_> positive, it is already been moved, in order that complicates issues a bit
<el00ruobuob_[m]> i silently approve moneromooo, trying into the Norwegian.
<sgp_> did you hope that it could be mentioned throughout a gathering first needmonero90?
<needmonero90> I am unable to recall the place the dialog is at, so I do not need to cowl outdated floor
<ErCiccione> I advised the man for Norwegian to open the CCS and make the put up on reddit, however i additionally requested to put in writing references for his work. So, i am ready for these earlier than i specific my vote on that
<needmonero90> Simply wished to specific in assembly that that specific proposal is a thorny difficulty
<sgp_> all proper. it was formally open for Four days
<needmonero90> Not lengthy sufficient or with sufficient dialogue imo
<sgp_> thanks ErCiccione. fwiw I discover the asking quantity for that proposal fairly affordable
<ErCiccione> sgp_: I agree on that.
<sgp_> Another CCS feedback earlier than we transfer on?
<needmonero90> none right here
<sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
<sgp_> a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
<sgp_> Code freeze. All of the issues occurred.
<needmonero90> I used to be confused once I noticed a reddit thread about getting translations performed *earlier than* the freeze (perhaps I misinterpret)
<sgp_> most notably the pay-by-hash for distant node use PR
<needmonero90> which didnt make sense, I assumed translations and stuff had been excellent after the freeze
<sgp_> needmonero90: my understanding is that there are basically two freezes, so it depends upon which one you name the “freeze.” ErCiccione would have the ability to clarify extra although
<monerobux> [REDDIT] Monero translators, we want you to make one last dash! The code freeze is imminent. (self.Monero) | 112 factors (99.0%) | 15 feedback | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2019-10-23 – 11:33:44
<needmonero90> ah, okay
<ErCiccione> needmonero90: translations and stuff had been excellent after the freeze <- They’re, however for this launch the GUI has been prepared for a while, with no strings added
<needmonero90> I assumed code freeze meant the codebase was in a state the place bugfixes and textual content information can be up to date
<needmonero90> or, thats the perfect place
<ErCiccione> if there are not any new strings we will begin a bit earlier
<needmonero90> im curious when the deadlines are for translation work
<ErCiccione> the deadline was yesterday for CLI and in the present day for GUI
<xmrscott[m]> They’ve each come to go
<needmonero90> ah, so no translations on this launch
<needmonero90> no extra*
<sgp_> there have been two weblate PRs I feel
<sgp_> This brings as much as b. Localization workgroup anyway
<ErCiccione> needmonero90: weblate is open, if individuals hold translating (and approving strings), we will open one other PR. However that by no means occurs
<ErCiccione> effectively, it is open for the CLI. GUI is locked as a result of i pushed the translations in the present day they usually should be merged earlier than i unlock it
<sgp_> code freeze* *apart from optimistic translations
<hyc> code freeze: no extra code modifications in addition to bugfixes
<hyc> textual content modifications, doc modifications – in all probability nonetheless truthful sport
<needmonero90> thats what I assumed from previous initiatives I’ve interacted with
<sgp_> Can we take a step again and tell us how how the localization course of occurred this time ErCiccione? Or every other contributor
<ErCiccione> the factor is.We by no means had a correct code freeze, so i used to be often ready till all of the options had been in after which ask translators to translate,
<ErCiccione> now with an precise code freeze and launch week after, we needed to do issues a bit earlier
<ErCiccione> sgp_: positive
<ErCiccione> Weblate was open since i introduced it. There was few exercise till my final requires translators on reddit and twitter. I gave as a deadline the day of the start of the code freeze. merged these, translators can hold translate,
<ErCiccione> and if there are sufficient strings translated i PR them to the repo (GUI or CLI) when it is attainable to take action
<sgp_> Do individuals like utilizing weblate?
<ErCiccione> So far as i can see, they appear to find it irresistible
<ErCiccione> and that i agree
<ErCiccione> after the discharge we are going to use it for the web site as effectively, i do not know if i already stated that
<xmrscott[m]> Very a lot so
<xmrscott[m]> Grammatical checks and comparable strings os extremely highly effective, and also you needn’t discover your individual regionally run shopper for these options, all browser primarily based
<sgp_> I am glad individuals just like the system. It’s going to assist make translations extra approachable to individuals who need to assist
<xmrscott[m]> We should always add MyMonero app sooner or later too
<ErCiccione> xmrscott: in the present day i added some extra QT particular checks, ought to be much more correct now
<xmrscott[m]> And as an apart to focus on how wonderful it’s, once I obtained the OpenWrt to begin utilizing it they described it as very addictive 🙂
<ErCiccione> in regards to the workflow: i am roughly utilizing the “steady translations” system weblate suggests https://docs.weblate.org/en/weblate-2.8/admin/continuous.html
<xmrscott[m]> My particular person favourite function is the power to get new emails when new strings are added
<ErCiccione> yeah the notification system may be customized lots
<sgp_> Another localization feedback?
<el00ruobuob_[m]> i simply noticed that, that is nice!
<sgp_> c. GUI workgroup
<sgp_> GUI code freeze is in the present day. i2p help will are available a later level launch sadly
<sgp_> the complexity of the code took a toll on some contributors who want extra time to make it occur
<sgp_> associated observe: dsc has been teasing a brand new non-core GUI that he made on the facet
<sgp_> Any questions? I am going to do my finest to reply
<rottensox> na. transfer on.
<needmonero90> I imagine there was some dialogue on renaming the GUI?
<needmonero90> idk the place that went
<needmonero90> some individuals thought “Monero GUI” was too scientific/technical, and wished one thing “hotter” for brand new customers (my phrases)
<sgp_> needmonero90: I’ll desk that dialogue for this assembly, however right here is the related naming dialogue that xmrscott[m] is championing: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/384
<thunderosa> I am going to simply chime in with eager to banish something “graphical interface” as a result of the general public has by no means seen a non-graphical interface.
<needmonero90> wasn’t making an attempt to debate it, simply discover the dialogue level 🙂
<thunderosa> It is inside actuality vs exterior actuality.
<sgp_> no drawback, thanks for mentioning
<sgp_> is sarang free to do a fast MRL replace?
<sgp_> d. Monero Analysis Lab
<sgp_> Surae made important progress on his matching code, with preliminary outcomes now accessible for validation. Sarang did some arduous moon math. Their assembly logs are on Github below meta.
<sgp_> We additionally mentioned subaddress affiliation (and the associated Janus assault). See this text and the accompanying Breaking Monero episode: https://getmonero.org/2019/10/18/subaddress-janus.html
<sgp_> if there are not any different feedback or questions, we will transfer on to five
<sgp_> 5. Monero 0.15 launch identify
<sgp_> We have to decide a launch identify. To help this, I’ve solicited suggestions informally on this ranked-choice ballot: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_e228920d8a4d1cec&akey=ebaf2172a4c2dcc9
<sgp_> 1. Carbon Callisto
<sgp_> 2. Carbon Comet
<sgp_> 3. Carbon Crab
<sgp_> 4. Carbon Chamaeleon (or Chameleon)
<sgp_> 5. Carbon Cosmos
<sgp_> at this level we actually want to choose a reputation, quick
<needmonero90> I am going to do a fast Telegram ballot
<thunderosa> Callisto is already the identify of a crypto-project. Comet or Cosmos are each robust
<needmonero90> talking of initiatives with the identical identify, cosmos?
<sgp_> I shared this on Telegram too needmonero90, however different suggestions is welcome. You’ll be able to level them to the identical hyperlink if you happen to like. I can stick with it for the remainder of the day
<thunderosa> effectively, it is somewhat extra common I assume
<darkaleph> callisto is somewhat on the nostril as effectively
<rottensox> Carbon Comet is a winner.
<needmonero90> crab too 🙁
<sgp_> I am fantastic with all 5 of these selections actually
<needmonero90> although plenty of parts have a C, so
<sgp_> crab might be my least favourite although
<hyc> I dislike COmmet / Consetllation /no matter as too generic
<thunderosa> yeah, crab = dangerous
<needmonero90> how dare you
<needmonero90> I am going to fork off
<hyc> the identify ought to be a selected celestial physique, not a basic kind of object
<sgp_> lol sorry :p
<needmonero90> crab nebula*
<sgp_> “MASSIVE Monero naming dispute”
<hyc> So Callisto, Crab, Chamaeleon are the one correct nouns on this choice
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Luna wasn’t a selected celestial physique hyc
<hyc> sure it’s Luna is a correct identify for the earth’s moon
<sgp_> hyc: I interpret the naming conference somewhat extra loosely, so I am comfortable with any of those in the event that they make sense
<sgp_> in some methods, the simplicity is a power
<rottensox> luna is moon in Spanish
<rottensox> yeah, i will see myself out.
<rottensox> Carbon Comet dammit.
<sarang> Sorry I stepped away for a second
<needmonero90> welcome again
<sgp_> Carbon Callisto is each easy and distinctive sufficient that it is a affordable compromise imo
<sarang> Hit a bump in a soundness proof
<sarang> I am engaged on alternate approaches
<needmonero90> sgp_: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/callisto-network/
<thunderosa> Yeah, and it is a bullshit coin too.
<needmonero90> at rank 694 we would trounce their search engine optimisation, so its nbd
<sgp_> yeah I am not too involved about that :p
<needmonero90> after it, I feel utilizing Callisto is not an issue, despite the fact that its one other crypto challenge
<needmonero90> my considerations are gone now
<needmonero90> that tho
<needmonero90> cosmos is out
<sgp_> yeah, in all probability not the very best concept
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Carbon Crommelin Comet, abreviated in Carbon Comet ?
<monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] 27P/Crommelin | “Comet Crommelin, often known as Comet Pons-Coggia-Winnecke-Forbes, is a periodic comet with an orbital interval of just about 28 years. It matches the classical definition of a Halley-type comet with (20 years < interval < 200 years). It’s named after the British astronomer Andrew C. D. Crommelin who calculated…”
<sgp_> Does anybody hate Carbon Callisto?
<needmonero90> the identify doesnt conjure up robust emotions of area in my thoughts
<hyc> I am comfortable with Callisto
<needmonero90> however I am detached
<sgp_> two voters who really ranked all the things within the ballot rated it fairly low
<thunderosa> I’ve obtained a foul affiliation, nevertheless it’s in all probability private…I am okay.
<sgp_> however for most individuals, it was the highest 1-Four selections
<hyc> effectively, I acknowledge it as a moon of Jupiter in order that works for me. however not a lot in love with it
<needmonero90> if we go along with Comet, I can see some retro cleansing product commercial pushes by outreach
<hyc> Chamaeleon remains to be my #1. a number of individuals identified its self-changing nature
<needmonero90> “with ring signatures”
<thunderosa> yeah, chamaleon is an honest selection,…it has some character
<ErCiccione> i like Callisto
<sgp_> The Chamaeleon / Chameleon similarities is a small weak spot imo. Could be higher in the event that they had been spelled the identical method
<needmonero90> I’ve an answer
<sgp_> lol @ comet advert needmonero90
<needmonero90> lets name it Carbon Chamæleon
<needmonero90> fixes all the problems 😀
<hyc> comfortable with me. alternate spellings, simpler spelling, no matter
<thunderosa> +1 Carbon Chamaleon (or nonetheless it is spelled)
<sgp_> effectively, hopefully this helps Core indirectly decide 🙂
<needmonero90> lets desk the bikeshedding, debruyne and I’ll determine a reddit thread and stuff
<darkaleph> chameleon is healthier then callisto however if you’d like heavenly our bodies with a nod to rings then Cassini is cool
<sgp_> we must always transfer on to the ultimate major matter
<needmonero90> nah, transfer again sgp
<needmonero90> sarang is right here now
<sgp_> positive, sarang do you may have a fast abstract?
<needmonero90> perhaps he is afk once more 🙁
<sgp_> he can take the stage if he comes again
<sgp_> 6. Extracurricular actions
<sgp_> Rehrar requested to order a while for extracurricular actions. Enjoyable issues that we will do to assist foster the group.
<sgp_> We tried a gaming session that was a superb begin, nevertheless it wasn’t too enjoyable for viewers
<sgp_> We nonetheless have some room to check issues on the market I feel
<sgp_> I lately paid for a premium Kahoot subscription for r/cryptocurrency, so we will use that for enjoyable quizzes if we would like
<sgp_> however in the end, what activites can be helpful to assist bond the group collectively? what would you wish to see the Monero group do?
<rottensox> videogames, sports activities, even board video games tournaments. put collectively by the group for the group and its customers…
<sgp_> board video games are cool, however they’re somewhat troublesome to play on-line
<rottensox> livestreaming group members taking part in a videogame will not do a lot.
<hyc> this group is not collected collectively due to gaming
<sgp_> we in all probability want an announcer for the video games
<sgp_> hyc: in fact not, however we’re searching for different excuses to do issues
<rottensox> effectively, I exactly stated board video games to do them head to head…
<rottensox> gaming can assist others perceive a truckload of issues. by way of gaming you’ll be able to obtain many issues…
<thunderosa> I do not actually prefer it, however playing kind stuff has been fashionable. Possibly that may very well be made to be extra interactive or team-based or one thing.
<rottensox> there’s plenty of room for us to develop. ruling out video games be it videogames, board video games, sports activities or something you’ll be able to consider could be very short-sighted.
<hyc> positive. perhaps you’ll be able to attempt placing collectively an academic sport about monero, cash, finance…
<sgp_> cooperative minko lol
<rottensox> somewhat man created moneropoly…
<sgp_> I’m wondering if that might one way or the other be performed as a giveaway as an alternative of playing prefer it was performed at Defcon
<rottensox> a event of moneropoly? 🙂
<sgp_> however I’m wondering how a lot enchantment that has
<el00ruobuob_[m]> i am in for a moneropolly event
<rottensox> a set of playing cards whose arts are xmr-related?
<thunderosa> monopoly really kinda phrases on-line,..greater than most different video games a minimum of
<rottensox> see? there we go. curiosity spiking.
<needmonero90> hyc: firms aren’t collected collectively due to golf, however its nonetheless a unbelievable excuse to do one thing exterior of a enterprise context in a extra informal scenario
<rottensox> thunderosa: you haven’t performed moneropoly, have you ever?
<needmonero90> for instance.
<thunderosa> no, I noticed the put up and thought it was a cool. I am a Monopoly hound from method again.
<sgp_> A Monero-themed playing cards towards humanity might perhaps work, however I feel the web sites that help customized playing cards are actually dated
<hyc> you could possibly do moneropoly with dwell wallets
<hyc> on testnet cash
<needmonero90> lastly my testnet hoard can be helpful
<sarang> Gah, i’m again!
<thunderosa> effectively, only a $1 buy-in to play,….the pot will get break up one way or the other with the winner and the home
<sarang> Multitasking is failing me
<thunderosa> goes to the fund or one thing
<sgp_> Can we one way or the other make “Sport of Whales” work? By some means associated to Sport of Thrones
<needmonero90> extra like unitasking
<needmonero90> sarang whats the abstract?
<rottensox> outreach and rehrar can assist these concept pan out?
<needmonero90> sgp_: Lets talk about sport stuff unlogged after-meeting 🙂
<sarang> I’ve been arduous at work on a brand new transaction protocol
<monerobux> rottensox meant to say: outreach and rehrar can assist these concepts pan out?
<sgp_> positive needmonero90. good to get some concepts rolling whereas persons are paying consideration
<sarang> A very cool multi enter model works however the soundness proof doesn’t
<sarang> A single enter model does have proofs which are working
<sarang> However I might like to get the previous confirmed correctly
<sarang> It is so shut
<sarang> I’ve a full writeup to share at Mondays assembly
<needmonero90> something occurring on the opposite protocol fronts?
<needmonero90> Halo, RCT3, lelantus?
<needmonero90> or are those self same as earlier than
<sarang> I need to backport some RCT3 stuff for effectivity comparisons
<sarang> Nothing new on Omniring given its batch limitations
<sarang> The RCT3 stuff was on maintain as a consequence of this new protocol
<sarang> A lot math to do!
<rottensox> sounds proper up your alley although.
<sgp_> Thanks sarang!
<sgp_> Any last feedback earlier than we wrap up the assembly?
<sgp_> Thanks for becoming a member of everybody
<sgp_> (skipping 7. open concepts time)
<msvb-mob> Thanks sgp_, good assembly.
<sgp_> 8. Verify subsequent assembly date/time
<sgp_> The following group assembly can be in 2 weeks on 9 November at 17:00 UTC. Be aware a attainable regional time change! The following Espresso Chat can be on 16 November at 16:00 UTC, however we might change the format. Keep tuned for extra particulars.
<sgp_> 9. Conclusion
<sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Neighborhood assembly, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change begins with YOU.
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